Edhat Staff
This article has been updated with photos from Friday’s vigil in the above slideshow. All photos are provided by Shapiro Photo.
By edhat staff
June 24, 2022
Planned Parenthood California Central Coast is hosting a “Vigil for Roe” at the Santa Barbara County Courthouse Friday at 5:30 p.m. following the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn the landmark abortion rights case.
“We hope you’ll join us in solidarity,” the nonprofit women’s clinic posted on social media.
A draft of the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold Mississippi’s law limiting abortions at 15 weeks was leaked last month. Hundreds of protestors gathered at De La Guerra Plaza on May 3 for the nationwide “Bans Off Our Bodies” movement in response to the court’s proposed decision.
The final decision was released from the Supreme Court on Friday, effectively overturning the nearly 50-year precedent granting women protection of their own reproductive rights.
Planned Parenthood health centers in California will continue to provide care and resources, including abortions due to state law.
“We believe all people — no matter where they live — should have the right to control their own body, life, and future. It is unjust and unacceptable that people in some states have been robbed of that right, forced to overcome unjust barriers just to access to the abortion care they need and deserve,” Planned Parenthood California Central Coast states on their website. “But know this: Planned Parenthood will keep fighting with everything we’ve got to provide patients with a full range of high-quality sexual and reproductive health services and education so that all people get to determine the course of their own life. Because Planned Parenthood stands for care.”
Vigils will also be held in San Luis Obispo and Ventura.
The best part of reproductive health services is the reproduced being killed. The second part is the killed then being allowed to determine the course of their own life. I’m so glad Planned Parenthood cares about that!
A bigoted, extremist, far right evangelist court killing women and allowing rapists to have their babies! They want to control women just like ISIS does. Contraception, homosexuality, same sex marriage, obscenity laws, equality laws, who you love, how you love – and other personal rights will fall under this religious fascism. Yes, there should be a vigil for that!
How many children have you birthed? Or are you a man who likes to tell women what to do?
Our now corrupted Supreme Court MUST be expanded to protect our rights. New rules on term limits and recusals MUST be implemented. It’s terrifying to think what else this corrupt court could do if nothingis done. Meanwhile, I hope the Democrats can get their act together nationally before November to win seats rather than lose them which seems likely… That of course would only make things worse for the county. If you have time donate it to get the vote out for Democrats running for Senate and the House. If you have money, no matter the amount, donate it to support Democrats running for Senate and the House. – GET INVOLVED!
GT – the scary things is old Clarence “pubic hair on my coke” Thomas has already reconsidering laws that allow married couples access to contraceptives, protection of gay sex, etc.
screw SCOTUS. they just showed the entire nation that they lie. they lied to just get a job. i’ve got zero faith in our judicial system especially SCOTUS. What a joke. 3 of them flat out lied about this law being precedent. 3 of them. Of course it’s the 3 that a liar with orange hair nominated. They have also fused church and state this week among many other things that goes against our society norms and precedent law. This radical supreme court is going against the will of the people and needs to be stopped. this is a flat out assault on our rights, our constitution and our lives.
a man who likes to tell woman what to do with their bodies. hey just like the GOP senators….
Zerohawk – you are back! Welcome back. These cowards won’t be out saying anything to anyone’s face.
Sacjon – It’s the nexts thing the court will go for based on what Thomas wrote. GOP leadership has already said they would go after it if they win a majority. Yet he won’t recuse himself on cases where there is conflict with his insurrectionist spouse. The Supreme Court has been corrupted. Hopefully this motivates Democrat voters – kick the filibuster to the ground and make our country safe again from the tyrannical right. This court may have woken a sleeping giant.
The court needs to be expanded – and justices need to have term limits. 10 years is a good arbitrary number. Lifetime appointments for evangelical far-right terrorists isn’t going to work.
Our senators and representatives needs term limits way before justices do, if they did have limits they would have codified abortion rights long ago as they wouldn’t be bound to ‘toe the party line’ and be behooven to the senior party leadership in order to get re-elected. It would free them to actually legislate for their constituents rather than for their party.
We need to boycott all churches, eg. catholic, that have promoted this violence against women. The church and state provision of the constitution is violated. Tax the churches and use the money to help support these poor women who cannot afford mandated pregnancies. Also let’s bill the Vatican to support these children.
“We owe our fellow citizens with whom we disagree the respect of listening and trying our level best to understand their arguments, the goods they hold most dear, the harms they most fear and to try to internalize their perspective. When we characterize their arguments, we must do so accurately and in their strongest form such that our interlocutors would recognize their own tone and substance in our rendition. And we must genuinely embrace the notion that both sides have something vital to defend. Concretely, those who call themselves “pro-life” must understand that those who describe themselves as “pro-choice” are desperate to defend women’s bodily autonomy and secure their equal position in the economic and social life of our nation. And conversely, the latter advocates must acknowledge that the former are committed to the intrinsic equal dignity of every human being, born and unborn.
Once that’s out of the way, we can begin the hard work of trying to find common ground so that we can, together, care rightly for women, children (born and unborn) and families, both before and after they are born.”
________ https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/opinions/court-decision-roe-was-very-bad-for-america-snead/index.html
Lacey, looking towards the upcoming midterm election you should consider that Latinos are, or perhaps were, a cornerstone of the democratic voting base. Most Latinos are catholic. Just sayin…
I don’t upvote or downvote – I see no point in it. The software lacks features.
Like Chip cares about Latino women …..
Chip, your argument is to not tax the church, to pander to the Latino vote.
That seems misguided as the church has clearly violated the provisions that separate church and state.
Tax them!
The murderous savage Catholic Church – responsible for molesting hundreds of thousands of children in our country and millions around the world – must be taxed.
Roe was/is very good policy and pragmatism, and it’s overturning is a disastrous day. Disastrous on many levels. Roe was also clear legal activism with barely a thin thread of constitutional validity … Am I the only one that can see both at once?
We are so divided on this issue because it is an ersatz discussion of the deepest tension of our republic, whether we actually trust each other as citizens and our democratically elected representative bodies. If we did fully, we wouldn’t have needed a Bill of Rights. If we didn’t fully, our republic would make no sense.
Take Obama’s tweet today. He said that leaving this important and deeply divisive decision to elected state legislatures (rather than Supreme Court of 50 years ago) is equivalent to leaving the decision to the “whims of politicians and ideologues.” I regret today’s decision, but by that logic, how much should we curtail the power of local democracy when we disagree with it on deeply divisive matters? Apparently, state legislatures are politicians and ideologues. Yep, they are. The rub is that our courts are too..
Repeating. Roe was/is very good policy and pragmatism, and it’s overturning is a disastrous day. Disastrous. Roe was also clear legal activism with barely a thin thread of constitutional validity. Am I the only one that can see both at once?
@Voice. I, too, appreciated Snead’s writing there (and I’m not usually a fan).
I agree especially with helping righties understand that pro-choice folks like me are “desperate to defend women’s bodily autonomy and secure (women’s) equal position in the economic and social life of our nation.”
Lacey- I’m NOT Catholic, but… What “violence against women” are you talking about? Not being able to kill your baby? These “poor women” can use FREE birth control instead of abortion. I’m all for women, not the government, doing what they want and support RvW, but abortion for birth control, because your lazy is disgusting.
@og – that’s not a thing. And no, a few anecdotes from someone’s cousin’s, sister’s, babsysitter doesn’t count. The data does not support this insulting claim.
Z- precedent = We fucked up, but it’s been so long that we can’t change it. bs
7:31- What are you talking about? anecdotes? Please explain.
“abortion for birth control” isn’t a thing.
7:57- What IS abortion then, if not to control birth? Murder?
Zerohawk-Do you think any law that is precedent should remain?
You guys are hilarious. Say you are against abortion to my face and see what happens? You’re so against anyone having a different opinion and I assume, you want to throw down? That’s the kinda person I would LOVE to meet. Let’s chat somewhere and I will tell you what I think until you do what you do.
Where can there be common ground in this situation that depends upon TIMELINESS?
And consumes one party’s future?!
Possibly good points for discussion. But they fall to extreme politicism of the court, such as McConnell preventing Obama from even nominating a SC justice. Not to mention Republican manipulation of voting, and gerrymandering in many states.
Oof, it’s like debating a wall. You stated that “but abortion for birth control, because your lazy is disgusting.” And I stated, that’s not a thing. There’s no data to suggest that women as a whole use abortion as a birth control. Getting a medical procedure is a thought-out process between a woman and her doctor. Unless of course you’re referring to actual birth control pills as abortion and, well, if that’s the case then I can’t engage with you any further.
It’s just more proof that the GOP supports rape and incest.
Everyone has known roe v wade was shaky… why’d we wait 50 years to actually address and fix it?
8:37- I didn’t suggest that “women as a whole” use abortion as birth control. Please read. I agree that “Getting a medical procedure is a thought-out process between a woman and her doctor” and I have no issue. No…I’m not “referring to actual birth control pills as abortion”. Where did you get that? My point is, that there are many easy ways to prevent the vast majority of pregnancies. If you don’t want to get pregnant and want to have sex, please use one! Don’t use abortion.
Signed, The Wall.
ZERO – As democrats would say about Obama and others changing their minds about significant issues, the SC has “evolved.” Relative to Roe, the SC righted a legal wrong, it did not go against “our constitution.” You and others still have the ability to murder a child if you choose.
OGSB – women and girls in many states will be forced to carry pregnancies to full term in situations of rape and incest. How is that not violence against women?
“These “poor women” can use FREE birth control instead of abortion. ” Clarence Thomas wrote in his argument overturning Roe that the very case that allows birth control should be overturned. The GOP is a terrorist organization on the level of the Taliban. They will be stopped.
What would happen?
@Doulie – That’s your opinion. Others have different opinions. Ultimately if it’s not your body, it’s none of your business.
Define life. What is it? When does it start? When is an embryo, then a fetus, then a baby viable outside the womb? When are those words applied? What is the indicator that life or death actually exists? Cite the science and the facts. Otherwise, until you clarify these facts, you’re just another old man with an opinion about something that he knows nothing about…
3:25 – Like you?
The way some of these extremists define life, it would include cancerous tumors.
NINE-inch-Edward: What would happen? Absolutely nothing as people are writing a bit of “smack” here. If anything happens, it will be akin to ‘Fightin’ Ron’ (featured on Mad TV….you can watch the vids on the YouTube).
I have concerns about the men and boys who are impregnating women when neither they nor the women want a child.
I’m with you, AHCHOOO! Every pregnancy starts with a randy MAN.
I cannot believe that this is where we are in our country in 2022. Abortion is essential healthcare. Abortion is a fundamental right that we have enjoyed for 50 years. Now our daughters and grandaughters have LESS rights than we had. This is INSANITY. Minority fringe rule. The SCOTUS has just announced that in this country women are second class citizens that have no constitutional rights to govern their own body and reproductive rights. It’s INSANE. The whole world has reacted to this, and it’s NOT A GOOD LOOK, AMERICA!!! I’m gutted, heartsick and FURIOUS!!! This will not stand!! We will FIGHT. WE WILL NOT GO BACK!
And yet, GOP cares zero about holding men (the fathers) responsible for pregnancy or child care.
By that logic, fellatio is mass murder.
LACEY – What do you have to say about the “violence” inflicted on a baby during the abortion process?
General – I’m not defending the molesters of any religion, but, how are these acts “murderous?” Would you agree the abortion of a defenseless unborn child is murder?
Right. If “everyone has known roe vs wade was shaky,” then why did Beer Kavanaugh state in his confirmation hearings that the decision has “been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years”?
Doulie, stop being such an extremist. Start looking at things in a practical and rational way. Is a chemical abortion of a 32 cell blastosis violence inflicted upon a baby? Is you masturbating and not using the sperm for their purpose, to create a future baby, violence inflicted upon a baby? Of course not.
They all lied. They tell the truth when people aren’t looking to satisfy and activate their political and financial supporters–people need to pay attention when they do that and believe them. They want to control your actions by imposing their religious beliefs on you. They won’t stop here.
Toot – An issue being reaffirmed and the issue being legal are two separate points.
And abortions are not banned.
It is up to the states to define abortion guidelines.
It is now up to states to create law and let the oriole vote on it.
Alex – My comment to Lacey is practical and reasonable asking if they considered the abortion of a defenseless and unborn child murder. IMO the abortion process itself is violent, the pain that could be experienced by the baby on/about the 20th week definitely adds to this violent act of murder. You’re way out in left field asking about “masturbation” and “future baby.”
Word salad
The GOP has become a terrorist organization on the same level as ISIS. Pushing religious dogma at all costs, dehumanizing women, devaluing human rights, banning literature. Soon they will go for contraception. let’s see how well that goes with the young voters. It will be illegal to love or marry someone of the opposite sex. Apparently the GOP is perfectly OK with forcing girls and women to carry rapist’s babies to full term even if the conception is a result of incest. Based on the ruling – some states could make interracial marriage illegal and make it legal to disriminate. And they will turn neighbors into snitches Well, with the supreme court rulings everyone can have a concealed weapon soon at least to protect ourselves when the proud boys show up to start disturbing peaceful demonstrations.
You’ve fixed nothing. Under that same logic – interracial marriage can be illegal at the court’s next whim. Or on a state’s next whim. In vitro feralization, same sex marriage and contraception could all be kicked to the curb tomorrow. This terrorist Catholic court can rule on fetal personhood next and it is no longer a decision by the state.
People should read a little more if they think this is just a state’s rights issue. The Far right evangelical Catholic minority has been working on this maniacal and tyrannical overthrow of government for the past 50 years. Terribly sad how so many people here support girls and women carrying the babies of rapists and those as a result of incest.
Churches have become political organizations – promoting candidates and donating to campaigns. That tax free status for those churches that become political needs to go by the wayside. These smarmy religious evangelicals that have been on TV this weekend defending the ruling have woken a sleeping giant. We’re coming for your religious control next.
There has been ZERO push back from Republican constituents regarding no exception for rape or incest. That is DISGUSTING. Are there secrets in the closet that they don’t want relatives getting arrested for? How could you force a 12 year old rape/incest victim to carry a child to full term. What an absolute moral travesty – and they have ZERO SHAME.
Let’s make Viagra illegal and have men pay a paternity tax.
A reminder of online safety, for those who haven’t thought about it:
Yes, we’re pretty safe here in California. We must support women throughout the USA.
“With a menstrual-tracking app, you can see when your periods and fertile days start and end. And, because these apps leave a digital trail, other people can see, too.
With 13 states poised to ban abortion after a Friday Supreme Court decision overturning the right to get one, many worry that data from period apps could become evidence of a crime. Some people are deleting the apps; others are sending data deletion requests to the companies that run them. And, while actual reproductive health data isn’t the only way law enforcement or other prying eyes could infer someone had an abortion, cutting down on personal data-sharing could become habit for women in post-Roe v. Wade America absent action from tech companies or the government to protect them.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/05/07/period-tracking-privacy/
Thank goodness they’re doing this work. Only the educated and well-off can take advantage of this knowledge.
Oh good It’s all over the interwebs when I google the title.
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I have grave concerns about the young women who will be raped by strangers or family members and be forced to carry the pregnancy to birth.
Observer, these are certainly not questions for politicians! Especially those who are ignorant about basic sexuality and biology.
Agreed. But many of us ARE aware. And have given hundreds of dollars to Nat’.l Network of Abortion Funds:
https://abortionfunds.org/
https://donate.abortionfunds.org/give/323375/#!/donation/checkout
How many men insisted on STD panels before having sex with their new interest/partner? How many men brought up birth control before sex; before their partner did? How many men paid for and supplied and had available forms of birth control when the moment arrived?
How many men even ever had the conversation?!
Sadly, in my experience of of over 40 years, my answer is ONE.
Trump was pro-choice up until the Saudis told him he had to change his view or they’d call him on his debt.
Still waiting…… where does it say it will “”allow abortion up until birth for any reason?”
Saying nothing and ignoring the fact you’ve been once again proven wrong is the same as saying “it doesn’t.”
The WHPA defines “health care provider” broadly; the term is not limited to physicians. The provider’s judgment need not be objectively reasonable. The abortion must be allowed even if the baby could be safely delivered alive (there is no requirement that an abortion be necessary to avoid maternal risk). The abortion must be allowed if, in the provider’s good faith judgment, there is any risk, whether physical or mental, however insignificant or remote the risk. These various qualifications essentially allow abortion on demand even after viability.
“These various qualifications essentially allow abortion on demand even after viability.” Yeah, you keep saying that VOICE (we all know it’s you) but that is NOT the same as saying “abortions would have been allowed for ANY reason.”
Problem here is, you make claims that aren’t true and then scramble to defend them once you’re called out, yet at the same time demand others to do what you won’t do.
You are parroting right wing extremist propaganda and that’s it.
3:00 – NONE of that is true.
“The provider’s judgment need not be objectively reasonable.” – where does it say that?
“The abortion must be allowed even if the baby could be safely delivered alive (there is no requirement that an abortion be necessary to avoid maternal risk).” – Flat out WRONG. It says right in the statute no restrictions on post-viability abortions if they “pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health.”
Again, the statement that abortions would have been allowed for ANY reason is WRONG.
Here’s a hint: stay away from absolute when “interpreting” statutory language.
Sac, I think we have a great learning opportunity here. Take the exact same thought process you used below on the Women’s Healthcare Protection Act, and it’s actual language vs. intent, now apply it to the Parental Rights in Education Act. You remember that one as you talked about it a lot. Oh, you kept referring to it as the “Don’t Say Gay Bill”. Remember? Even though the bill doesn’t actually say ‘gay’ and your grave concern was the language was too broad and can be used to discriminate against LGBTQ even though the langue of the bill contained nothing of the sort? So…. are you applying the same standard to both situations or are you using different standards?
VOICE – what about answering the question I asked instead of dodging it? What is the intent of the WHPA? I’ll tell you: to codify Roe v Wade and make abortion a federally protected right. Nowhere in the language does it say post-viability abortions are allowed for “any reason.”
“Even though the bill doesn’t actually say ‘gay’ ” – Lol! What do you think they’re talking about when they say “sexual orientation?”
Dude, the exact language of the the PRE says what I am concerned about. I don’t need to perform (and fail at) logical gymnastics to be concerned with the language “prohibiting classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity” (PRE preamble) and “instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity” (1001.42 (8)(3))
You are inventing and fabrication both the intent AND language of the WHPA. I did not need to do the same for the PRE, as both the language AND intent are CLEAR and unambiguous.
Nice try with the whataboutism, but you missed the mark….. by a lot.
“Sac, I think we have a great learning opportunity here.” – You’re right! We’ve all just learned you are unable to answer a question without deflecting and that you never read either pieces of legislation.
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So, lemme get this straight: Since the advent of Viagra, the incidence of sexual assault has exploded exponentially?!
I see.
Voting (in CA) isn’t going to do anything as they have shown over the past 40 years they have no interest in legislating abortion rights at the federal level. It is now up to each states voters to determine their own fate.
SBLETSGETALONG – “And abortions are not banned.” – That is a flat out lie. Since Friday, abortions are banned/illegal now in the following states: Texas, OK, Louisiana, South Dakota, and Kentucky.
Educate yourself please. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/abortion-laws-by-state-roe-v-wade-00037695
“Churches have become political organizations – promoting candidates and donating to campaigns. That tax free status for those churches that become political needs to go by the wayside. ” – sound a lot like unions, and universities. Remove the tax free status for them too and I think you got a deal.
They are banned, completely, in some states. Including for ectopic pregnancies. And what about spontaneous abortions? I’ve had two…get used to being arrested/ investigated for murder.
9:30am (probably voice) – Unions aren’t allowed to donate to campaigns. Universities provide far more than churches to our society so their tax exempt status is not really comparable to churches.
Impeach them for lying under oath.
How was church and state violated?
“I do not view abortion as a choice and a right. I think it’s always a tragedy, and I think that it should be rare and safe, and I think we should be focusing on how to limit the number of abortions. There ought to be able to have a common ground and consensus as to do that” – Joe Biden 2006
As long as both parties acquiesce to their extreme yet vocal minorities – life begins at conception and abortion up until birth for any reason – we will never find common ground, even though that is where the majority of us are.
And we should impeach any and all appointed/elected officials for lying under oath, but then we wouldn’t have any politicians left..
I get it Lacey, there is no place for Catholics in the modern Democratic Party. JFK certainly would not be a Democrat if he were alive today, things have changed. I’ll be curious to see who the democrats boot next.
10:03 – what’s your point? Biden’s statement reflects the thoughts of the majority of us liberals. We don’t want abortions to become birth control. We realize the pain and emotional trauma involved with the decision to do this. We want less abortions, but we demand women have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
Doulie, LOL, way out in left field–false, you have extremists on the right who not only want to outlaw any chemical or surgical process for abortion post conception, i.e., post egg is fertilized, but you also have extremists who want to outlaw contraception. Be honest, I you think the extremists will stop at this right being stripped, you are either deluded or you are on their mission.
Here is an interesting article about the growing trend of displaced democratic voters transitioning to a new party. As the list of people who no longer have a place in the Democratic Party continues to grow, I suspect this trend will continue.
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-covid-health-presidential-e50db07385831e67f866ec45402be8b9
The point is, the politicians continue to prove they only care about using this issue to fund raise and rile up their supports than actually address the issue. Ask yourself wht just a month or so ago they tried to push through Women’s Health Protection Act – which would allow abortion up until birth for any reason – something the rest of the world, Europe and nearly every state finds very extreme and don’t agree with. If they wanted to actually get legislation passed they would have written the legislation to better align with 70+% our country – safe and available early-term, rare exceptions for late-term.
CHIP – “well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump’s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back” – SWING voters, not long-time democrats. Yeah, TONS of republicans voted democrat just to get rid of Trump. Now they’re switching back. No big deal.
Keep telling yourself that’s it and you’re going to be rather surprised in a few months.
VOICE at 11:17 – “which would allow abortion up until birth for any reason” – That is absolutely WRONG and INCORRECT. Funny how you always snap at others for listening to the media and not actually doing the work to see what the legislation says. Show us where it says it would have allowed such abortions. Provide the statutory language.
Oh wait, I’ll do your work for you, again:
“(a) General Rule.—A health care provider has a statutory right under this Act to provide abortion services, and may provide abortion services, and that provider’s patient has a corresponding right to receive such services, without any of the following limitations or requirements:
…..
(9) A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health.”
Let me help with the legalese for you… That means that a doctor can perform post-viability abortion ONLY if continuing the pregnancy would harm the mother.
Ok, your turn. Show us where it says something different. Until then, please retract your verifiable lie about the legislation.
11:28 (Voice why you hiding?) – are you seriously saying that now, after overturning Roe v. Wade, more democrats are going to switch to the side of the aisle that encouraged and allowed this travesty against women’s rights? LOL yeah no.
Post-viability abortions would be allowed (under WHPA) nationwide without meaningful limitation. Under the WHPA, such abortions would require only the “good-faith” medical judgment of a health care provider that “continuation of pregnancy” would pose “a risk” to the pregnant woman’s “life or health.” The WHPA defines “health care provider” broadly; the term is not limited to physicians. The provider’s judgment need not be objectively reasonable. The abortion must be allowed even if the baby could be safely delivered alive (there is no requirement that an abortion be necessary to avoid maternal risk, only that the provider make a good faith judgment that continuation of pregnancy would pose such a risk). The abortion must be allowed if, in the provider’s good faith judgment, there is any risk, whether physical or mental, however insignificant or remote the risk. These various qualifications essentially allow abortion on demand even after viability.
11:58 – OK, so show us where it says it will “allow abortion up until birth for any reason.” Your grasping here and making assumptions on interpretation of a bill that was never passed.
@Voice – abortion up until birth is not a thing. Please stop spreading misinformation. And don’t even dare trying to come up with some anecdote of one instance on an obscure website.
@Chip – and Reagan wouldn’t be a Republican today.
“when an un-elected panel of judges takes away power from the government and gives that power to the people to make their choice”. – fixed it.
The intolerance of the current progressive movement is astounding. Have you ever seen any of the moderate or right leaning posters here write such hate towards others?
VOICE at 1:06 – ugh….doing the whole “incognito” thing again, really?
“gives that power to the people to make their choice” – What “people?” The women of Texas, LA, SD, KY and OK?
Again, please explain how you’re “pro choice” while at the same time “pro-State’s right to outlaw and ban abortions, whether the woman CHOOSES or not.”
When it comes to taking away women’s right to their own bodies, then yes, we ARE intolerant. This is not something anyone should stand for in a “free” country.
Because I’m tolerant of others viewpoints and confident the people in those other states will make the right decision for them and elect their politicians accordingly. Because I can separate my personal beliefs and emotions from the reality of how our government is structured and operates and laws we have in place. I’ve said time and time again the ‘how’ something is accomplished is just as important as ‘what’ is trying to be accomplished. Too many people these days erroneously feel the ends justify whatever means it take to get there.
Spot on Edney and worth repeating: If the Senate and House had courage, they’d pass a law that for example would say Abortion is legal in the entire USA up to XYZ weeks with no restrictions and also spell out exceptions for later term abortions. But that would take hard work and they are too fearful and lazy —–except I wouldn’t say it’s being lazy, just that they prefer their power and wouldn’t dare jeopardize, their next election, or support of their party’s elite by doing right by their constituents and placing them higher than their party.
VOICE – it’s not about “viewpoints and opinions.” You say you are pro-choice, but you are also pro-states banning abortion for everyone in that state regardless of who they “chose” by voting. Therefore, you are NOT “pro-choice.”
“When we characterize their arguments, we must do so accurately and in their strongest form”
Something that you are famous here for doing the opposite of.
Sac. The decision been passed down to the State level. We still all the right to vote against the proposals at the state level. Still have the right to have an abortion. It is maddening indeed. But the hatred spewed on this forum towards republicans is truly disturbing.
“And conversely, the latter advocates must acknowledge that the former are committed to the intrinsic equal dignity of every human being, born and unborn.”
I won’t acknowledge that because it’s patently untrue. Right wingers are sociopaths; they don’t give a fig about “intrinsic equal dignity”; for them abortion is simply a political hammer.
“Roe was also clear legal activism with barely a thin thread of constitutional validity”
This is false. You “see” it because you don’t read any legal analysis, or only the legal analysis that supports your prior belief.
LCP – “Still have the right to have an abortion.” Yes, in CA we do and that will not be affected. But, what about those women in TX, LA, OK, SD and KY? If they didn’t vote for their current leaders, then they do NOT have a choice. Would you be fine just ignoring them?
Also, really what “hate” have you seen here? People are pissed. Millions of our fellow American’s have/will have the right to choose what they do with their own body outlawed and taken away from them. Should we not be upset?
“And abortions are not banned.”
As a result of this SCOTUS ruling, they are now banned in many states.
A hallmark characteristic of the right wing is fundamental dishonesty.
LETMEGO gets downvoted for mentioning her spontaneous abortions, because right wingers are misogynist sociopaths.
“abortion up until birth for any reason”
That’s a lie.
“The point is” that you lie incessantly.
“Post-viability abortions would be allowed (under WHPA) nationwide without meaningful limitation. ”
You’re lying.
“good-faith”
A concept completely beyond you.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2586953/cop-raped-woman-first-date-viagra-for-erectile-dysfunction/
I never said, and am not, “pro-states banning abortion for everyone in that state…” – you’ve called me a LIAR (in all caps no less) for less than that FYI, but I’m used to your double standards and ‘rules for me but not for thee’. You continue to misstate what I’ve said and put words to my comments that aren’t there, while simultaneously being unable to separate your emotion from the facts of how our government, its three branches, the constitution, and the states operate. You fail to see how you need to twist the clear words of the 2A to push gun control, while simultaneously being so sure abortion is a constitutional right without even a mention of abortion in the constitution. Again, this could all be easily addressed with some reasonable, bipartisan legislation if there was actually a will to do so by our elected officials. We’ll see if they actual legislate anything about it or just use it to fundraise and try to stop the bloodbath is coming in November.
VOICE – word salad.
So you do NOT support the states being able to determine their own abortion laws? Which is it? Do you support state’s making their own decisions and being able to completely ban/outlaw abortions (including for rape and incest) or not?
Chip, that just means the constitution neither prohibits nor allows abortion so its relegated to the states to decided for themselves. If a Federal law was put in place guaranteeing this right before X many weeks, it would preempt any state law trying to reduce this right. This is something which should have been done decades – go check out Obama’s false promises that this was a “Day 1” issue, subsequently shelved for 8 years including the nearly 6 month period where Dems had a supermajority and could have passed any legislation they wanted. Another benefit would be that it would give judges actual legislation to point to and hang their hat on in deciding future related cases, vs. the grasping at straws done in RvW.
“so its relegated to the states to decided for themselves.” – and that is the problem. Because it allowed the states to decide, millions of women have NO CHOICE. It was taken from them. So, again…. if you support states’ rights to legislate abortion, then you are NOT “pro-choice.”
The full dissenting opinion can be read at https://www.newsweek.com/full-text-supreme-court-justices-dissenting-opinion-roe-v-wade-1719034
It makes clear what an assault the majority decision is on women, families, privacy, reason, law, the stability, integrity and legitimacy of the Court, and the notion of the Founders that the U.S. Constitution was, as Chief Justice John Marshall put it, “intended to endure for
ages to come”. A key point is that, while the 14th Amendment is written in general language (“No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”), the “pinched view” of the majority is that it only applies to that which was in the minds of the ratifiers in 1868, and the liberty of women to choose the course of their lives was not in their minds at that time. Well, hardly surprising, when none of the ratifiers were women, or allowed to be women, who weren’t even allowed to vote! Our society and culture are not what it was in 1868, but that seems to be what these right wing reactionaries want to reimpose on us. This view of “original intent” was not what the Founders or the ratifiers of the 14th Amendment intended and it is not the legal view that any decent rational intelligent honest person would adopt. Rather it is based on an authoritarian elitist misogynist ideology.
It was explained why the vagueness of the bill and broadness in language doesn’t
adequately appease concerns about overuse of post-viability abortions, which is why the bill didn’t even garner full democratic support let alone bipartisan support required to pass., not sure why you feel the need to argue with me over the rightful opinions of others. This was intentional for reasons stated previously and could easily be rectified if they actually wanted to pass the bill and codify RvW at a federal level. The points presented are not false or a lie as you claim but the actual reasons why it failed, if you stepped out of your privileged bubble / echo chamber and appreciated the points of view of others you’d better understand this and facilitate a solution – to often you take the ‘my way or the highway approach’ which is the opposite of the compromise and understanding needed to find common ground in a country as large and diverse as ours.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg disagreed with you and voiced her concern for decades the legal shakiness of the ground RvW stood on, a concern reflected by many constitutional and legal scholars independent of their personal feelings on abortion, a concern that fell on deaf ears by pro-life legislators, a concern that the more aggressive posters herecan’t see or appreciate when theyre blinded by their emotion and desire to ‘fight’ those who provided rationale on opposing views for how and why we got here (i.e. me , even though personally am pro-choice as well).
Sac, he’s dishonest and not very bright. Yet you are here everyday giving him what he wants, attention. Remember, his fundamental problem is that his entire world view/life view is based on lies. He will never admit to the facts or even approach with reason, because it breaks apart everything he believes as true. And we all know, his faith is a fable and his life is ruled by liars and charlatans. This is why religious people are infinitely more likely to fall for scams, cons, lies, falsehoods and fascists like Trump. They are simply not capable of objective reasoning. They are not capable of being honest. Ignore him… Like everyone else in his pathetic life does. You will be infinitely better off without him in your thoughts or your day.
Now that is a world salad, even brought Trump into it SBO! Of course way off base and separated from the reality of what I’ve posted, maybe read specifically what I’ve written again and ignore the constant dribble of protest from others who find it rational to call me a liar, someone who even agrees with them on this issue, for pointing out the rationale of those that opposed WHPA and would it would take for it to pass. I mean seriously, they’re calling the opinions of others a lie, like that’s even a thing, and if they use LIAR in all caps and repeat it over and over again it makes it true.
Thanks for proving my points. LOL. But hey, its your life, you’re free to be as dumb as you choose. You are also free to spend hours of every single day of your life (1000’s of comments over years and years…) arguing with randoms on the internet. That’s truly the work of the righteous! You’re doing Republican Jesus proud!
@Marcelk “And conversely, the latter advocates must acknowledge that the former are committed to the intrinsic equal dignity of every human being, born and unborn.”
Sure they are, like migrants, migrant children, poor people, homeless people. Dignity, sure…
That is a fund raiser of an issue that is going nowhere.
The justices in question can simply say that at the time of the questions in the Senate hearings, they had not seen the facts presented in the the case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization.
In 2018, the state of Mississippi enacted a law that bans abortion after 15 weeks, with few exceptions — and not for cases involving rape or incest.
The Jackson clinic and one of its doctors sued Mississippi officials in federal court, saying the state’s law was unconstitutional.
A federal district court and the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of the clinic, blocking Mississippi’s law. But the state appealed to the Supreme Court, which put the case on its docket.
Absent a Federal Law defining, enumerating, abortion rights even under Roe v. Wade, the issue was kicked down to the states. with nearly every state having different laws.
The simplest remedy would be for the President to lead the House and Senate to find the courage to pass a Federal abortion standard. If the Senate and House had courage, they’d pass a law that for example would say Abortion is legal in the entire USA up to XYZ weeks with no restrictions and also spell out exceptions for later term abortions. But that would take hard work and they are too fearful and lazy
Marcelk – It was known many years ago this is how the abortion issue should have been settled, legally. Now everyone can vote their conscience on this issue for the state and not just nine people for all states.
Facts Doulie. This decision, while unpopular in the immediate result, actually took power away from the government and gave it to the people, normally a good thing, and something that will further strengthen abortion rights in the future. If more could sperate their emotions from facts and logic, they would realize this.
@3:08 how about we read the content of the proposition before committing to vote on it? Unlike nearly every legislator that no longer reads the very bills they vote on.
SBO – pretty harsh, even against VOICE, but you’re right – I DO need to stop with falling for his bait, but it’s so hard for me to just ignore blatant misrepresentations such as the WHPA “allows abortions up until birth for any reason” or the Parental Rights Act “does not discriminate.”
Marcelk – It was known many years ago this is how the abortion issue should have been settled, legally. Now everyone can vote their conscience on this issue for the state and not just nine people for all states.
DOULIE: “Marcelk – It was known many years ago this is how the abortion issue should have been settled, legally. Now everyone can vote their conscience on this issue for the state and not just nine people for all states.”
Um, what the what?? No. Everyone can vote their conscience? To control someone else’s body. So, you are fine with other people in your state voting that your 10 yo daughter rape victim has to stay pregnant? Or how about, you are fine with other people in your state deciding that you have to donate one of your kidneys to someone else. How about letting everyone vote that premarital sex is illegal? What about alcohol? Interracial marriage? Let’s go ALL OUT.
The hate here is colossal. Really sad.
LCP – where’s the hate? Some people get pretty defensive and riled up when an un-elected panel of judges take away their right to chose what to do with their own bodies.
VOICE – if you “personally [are] pro-choice,” how is it that you support other States being able to ban and outlaw the choice you claim to be pro about? How do you reconcile your own comments?
VOR, LOL, man, that’s exactly what the Taliban did; took the power from the government and gave it to the people, i.e., the people who had the power to then strip the rights of others.
Anyway, I think this is all just a brilliant plan for Thomas to nullify his illegal inter-racial marriage.
LETMEGO, and also let’s recognize the Draconian intent of the various states–in Missouri, based on the language, a woman could literally be prosecuted for making a plan with another person or health provider to leave the state in order to secure an abortion in a different state.
They won’t stop with the right to abortion in their own states, they want to take away a whole bunch of rights.
“something that will further strengthen abortion rights in the future.” – Tell that to the women of Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Kentucky and South Dakota.
You really call yourself pro-life while being totally OK with outright bans?
Americans can be both ignorant and tone deaf when it comes to abortion.
Case in point: the women on the View were filming in the Bahama’s griping about the Dobbs vs. Jackson Women’s Health decision… the same Bahamas that ban ALL abortions for any reason and anyone involved in an abortion can be sentenced to 10 years in prison. That includes the pregnant woman.
MarcelK please apply the 14th amendment and Abortion to the 2nd Amendment which is an enumerated right and see if your love for the 14th stays steadfast. The right to an Abortion shall not be infringed… right?
14th “No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”
The 2nd Amendment is a Constitutional right widely interpreted by the states in their own idiosyncratic, sometimes unconstitutional ways. That is what you are going to have with Abortion unless Congress gets off its butt and actually buts down Federal Law on the subject. Even then you will have tension between the Federal Government and states. Look at Marijuana law for an example. Marijuana is still a Federal crime, but many states have chosen to decriminalize it. A Federal Abortion law would have to be Abortion for any reason, at any time, in a clinic by a technician (not a Doctor) to not start out in conflict with Vermont and yes, Sarah Palin’s Alaska both of which allow Abortion at any time today. If a clear law is passed then Abortion would not be a constitutional right (it would require an new amendment to make it so) but it can be made a federal legal right and everyone is protected by Federal law