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Roe Comment Cartoon
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June 29, 2022, 8:43 am
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@12:03, so you agree there are exceptions to total body autonomy. Now, who gets to decide when to make those exceptions, the government? The consensus around this issue here seems to be very loud and clear NO – the government shouldn’t be the ones deciding when we can and can’t have autonomy over our bodies. Is pregnancy contagious? No. Does the vax prevent you from being contagious? Also no.
1:26 (Again VOICE) – No, no exceptions. The vax mandates didn’t call for felony charges for failing to get vaxxed.
And while the vax didn’t cure it or provide 100% prevention from being contagious, the purpose of the vax mandates were to prevent the spread of a deadly virus. Not the same as imprisoning a woman and her doctor for making a choice about her body.
VOICE – and further, if you keep insisting on “my body, my choice” why do you support allowing the states to ban a woman from making her choice? You keep saying we can’t have it both ways, so why do you think you can? “Rules for thee……”
The extremist far-right evangelist GOP views women’s bodies merely as a vessel that they control.
VOICE – You still willfully miss the point. Vax mandates didn’t call for felony imprisonment, abortion bans do. There is NO alternative for abortions, there was for the vax – get tested and show proof. Therefore, they are NOT the same.
Nothing you say will change the facts. Your emotion-based opinions miss the facts. I’m done.
3:42, LOL, yeah, to being able to attend a sporting event or eat in a restaurant is EXACTLY LIKE BEING CHARGED WITH CONSPIRACY, MURDER, ETC.
And you may not be aware of this, but abortion isn’t contagious. A woman having an abortion doesn’t put other women who CHOOSE not to have an abortion in danger of an abortion.
Unlike Covid 19.
Your comparison is asinine.
Both of you misread my comment and neither of you even tried to answer the question: Who decides when we have autonomy over our body and when we don’t? You’ve give your reasons why you think we shouldn’t have autonomy over our personal vaccine decisions, so is it the public health department that determines when we do and don’t have autonomy over our bodies? If they said no abortions, would you comply? I think most are in agreement late-term abortions should be done rarely and in very specific and unique circumstances, but specifically when is late-term, who decides? If not the public health department, a panel of judges, politicians? OR (as I stated earlier) should it be the people that decide?
“Who decides when we have autonomy over our body and when we don’t?” – Not people who have ZERO personal interest or suffer ZERO impact from the thing they’re outlawing.
5:32 VOICE, dang dude…. you really don’t think before typing, do you? When it’s life or death, there is no alternative. Do you even know or care to consider the reasons for an abortion? What a totally insensitive and thoughtless comment.
Sac @ 6:21 “”Who decides when we have autonomy over our body and when we don’t?” – Not people who have ZERO personal interest or suffer ZERO impact from the thing they’re outlawing.”
So, it’s your wife , girlfriend or other and they get prego… If you’re male, you have ZERO say as to what they do. Just sayn’! As you know I’m pro RvW, autonamoy over your own body bla bla bla, Anti-abortion.
9:16- Blasting dudes half hour posting for not responding? Ummm maybe they have jobs? I know, weird concept.
Eh…. I don’t know. Is that VOICE in the cartoon? CHIP?
OGSB – uh, not sure what you’re trying to say? What’s your point? Those are YOUR words. Glad you’re “grown up” but try being coherent.
Isn’t it equally stereotyping and over generalizing to assume because someone has a uterus, that they automatically know everything about Roe v. Wade?
By the way, here on anonymous Edhat, how are we supposed to know who really has a uterus?
It would be kind of funny to draw what I think certain people look like and vice versa, since we’ve never seen each other. I picture some of you daily dozen commenters in pretty interesting fashion!
I think it’s a healthy combination of all men on either side commenting on women’s issues, on edhat and beyond.
11:25 – True, but should men not have any say in the recent reversal of law? Taking away women’s right to choose should be an outrage to us all, men and women.
I’d say is safe to assume anyone getting defensive over this cartoon identifies as a man.
@Jon – I interpreted it as more men discussing a woman’s bodily autonomy.
As recently as last week men could have uteruses, periods and could get pregnant. Seems everyone remembered what a women is real fast.
The body autonomy claim has been incredibly cheapened when they made an exception to ‘total control over what happens to our own bodies’ when vax mandates came out. (and are still out there FYI).
@11:42, you’re conflating two issues but I’m sure if someone used “birthing bodies” instead of woman you’d find issue with that too.
More like a commentary on misogny and mansplaining.
Thanks for your male input Voice (aka 11:44). Perhaps the cartoon was directed at you specifically?
And forcing a woman/birthing body to give birth is NOT the same thing as not being allowed to dine inside at a restaurant. Get real.
VOICE at 11:44 (too scared to speak up) – “claim has been incredibly cheapened” – only for those who think pregnancy is contagious and capable of killing those around you.
I think you should express the ideas you have about others in caricature form. Then we can discuss whether they turn out to be the end product of a bigoted, misogynistic, misandrist, racist mind or not.
Constitutional principles and their application to the political process and institutions of the United States and the State of California if very much on-topic.
I’m just laughing as y’all men live out the toon.
Yeah, “they” — women — made an exception and passed draconian laws to force people to wear masks and so they should stop bitching about forced birth, says VoiceOfMisogynyandDishonesty
For the folks with room temperature IQs: cartoon != comedy
I think the problem with some people (like VOR) is the black white issue. “Either you have full bodily autonomy or you don’t.” Yeah, no. There are shades of gray.
Life isn’t black and white, it’s messy and shades of gray.
Being arrested and charged with murder, as others have said, is not the same as getting fired.
Conservatives: We dont trust the Guvment to make choices on our healthcare or to guide our lives! Who do these politicians think they are?
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Also conservatives: We trust State legislatures to make choices over our healthcare and that of our wives, mothers, daughters and friends. State representatives have our best interest in mind and are experts in science, medicine and life and therefore, the right people to rule over our bodies and our lives.
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Conservatives: Free speech! You are free to say anything you like. It is a tenant of America! Religious freedom is essential to our nation.
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Also Conservatives: You are not allowed to talk about race, or sexual orientation or mention history or science that conflict with my faith. Oh and there is no such thing as separation of Church and State. So if you want to play football, you have to pray to our god, on our time.
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Conservatives: All life is precious.
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Also conservatives: The death penalty is good! We must kill people for certain crimes, done in certain situations, in certain places and without the aide of decent legal counsel… Oh, sorry about your dead kid. But guns are far more important than your kids life. “It could have been worse”… Gov Greg Abbott – Uvalde, TX, June 2022
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The Court , House and Senate is run by Republican Reptiles.
The leftist anger is actually based on the fact that they have lost the use of the Supreme Court as a tool to force their policies on the rest of us. SCOTUS just put the power of establishing such policies back in the hands of the people. What a concept!
BOOMER – so how would you feel about the 2nd Amendment being put “back in the hands of the people” (ie, State’s rights)?
*”in the hands of the people” – not “back”
House and Senate are run by Republican? What decade are you in because today Democrats control the House, Senate and WH.
That would require an amendment to the constitution Sac, it isn’t something that the States or SCOTUS can take away. With each post you make it more and more clear you don’t know how our government is supposed to work. If you really want to effect change you need to understand how it works. Too many are getting blindly outraged by what they see on the news (the for profit media wants you outraged) or a politicians rhetoric (who also wants you outraged right before they ask you to donate to their campaign and vote for them). As I’ve written below and Boomer reflected above, the power lies with the people, not the government or any of it’s branches. We should not be relying upon a politically biased court of unelected members, or any other gov. agency, to provide or take away rights we feel are important to us.
VOICE – OBVIOUSLY, it was a hypothetical, but the point is the same. Why should SCOTUS uphold rights that half of us don’t want?
Hold on, let me re-phrase that.
BOOMER says SCOTUS should not be able to “force their policies on the rest of us.” OK, so that means they shouldn’t be used as tool for conservatives either.
VOICE – you never answered my question though (surprise surprise). You just went “anonymous” and fled. Here it is again for you:
How do you consider yourself “pro-choice” while at the same time supporting the State’s right to ban/outlaw abortion for everyone in that state, regardless of how they voted?
Honestly interested to hear you do a little self reflecting on that. So many conservatives say they’re “pro-choice” and then say that choice should be left to the people through voting. How does that work?
Thinking that some might enjoy this:
https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/clarence-thomas-must-go
Thanks CT for all that Great work you’re doing (not)…