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April 13, 2023, 2:20 am
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Does anyone have more information on the two people who overdosed at Manning Park?
This took place on Sunday in Montecito, two people reportedly unresponsive and not breathing. Montecito Fire responded but no information since the initial call. Will Montecito Fire release a statement?
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Been wondering about this myself. Praying they were able to pull through.
Idiots. That’s all there is to know
Yikes.
getoffmylawn, wow….your rude and callous comments never cease to annoy and disturb us.
Get Off My Lawn: My little brother died of an overdose. He was anything BUT an idiot! He was the sweetest, most kind and loving soul. Sometimes people who use drugs do it to numb. The most intelligent sensitive people can be addicts. You’re a jerk.
Last Tuesday, there was a male at Ortega Park that was acting as though he was under the influence of “Trank”. A passing policewoman was flagged down and a second constable showed up to talk and observe. No arrest was made. It appears the drug has made it to City of Paradise.
NOTREALLYDAVE – Pretty sure tranquilizers and opiates have been here for a LONG time. Or, is “Trank” something new?
Drugs are not new to this town. Neither are deadly overdoses. It’s actually pretty severe and does SB talk about it? Nope, not really.
Not backing up this speculation by a layman, but “tranq” is xylazine, a veterinary tranquilizer first used about 50 yrs ago. Like fentanyl, it is cheap and mainly sourced from China. It is not an opioid so naloxone doesn’t work.
NOTREALLY – Hard to believe cops would make contact with anyone “under the influence” of anything and not arrest them or ensure they were safe. Once the cop leaves liability is on the cops if the person is injured. I’ll guess even the person could sue the cop(s) for not arresting or ensuring they were safe after the cops left them and they were later injured. As to the OD, the people undoubtedly knew of the possible fatal consequence.
4-14 @ 12:41 – What if what you have ingested something that renders you incapable of controlling your actions? Think back to the motto on the cop cars: “To Protect And To Serve.” It says nothing about what person/group are (not) to be protected, right? In the circumstance being discussed I only suggest cops do their job to eliminate liability. I’ll guess cops did what was required after their contact.
Wondering what the appearance of tranq use is.
Doulie – Your comment is the epitome of “trust me, I know a guy”
How exactly are cops automatically liable if they make contact that doesn’t result in an arrest?
Doulie, thats because it never happened. His story doesn’t even make sense. Constable? sorry, we do not have constables here either. Police would not walk away from that if it were true. The guy also could be known locally to the PD and not a junkie, there are a lot of peoiple with disorders that make them appear wasted.
STONER – I don’t understand your “trust me, I know a guy” statement. How does this relate to the scenario in question?
STONER – I was referring to a person “under the influence” not being arrested and cops ensuring they were safe before being released. Cops release a person under the influence, the person walks into the path of an oncoming car, is hit and injured/killed. In this scenario IMO cops are liable. Certainly cops have the discretion whether or not to arrest but they also have the duty to ensure the person is safe when left alone. Same logic with drunk drivers. Cops don’t have to arrest, but for the drivers safety and the safety of others they can’t allow them to continue driving. I believe this more a common sense issue on how to terminate the contact and eliminate liability.
How about you are liable for your own actions after you ingest something incapacitating? Cops are not mommy RN social worker detox experts. Stop asking them to do everything for homeless.
And how does Not really Dave know what its use looks like? It’s a large animal tranquilizer, mixed with opioids, so how do you tell which drug someone is nodded out on?
Doulie – The statement I made prior infers I feel like you’re talking out your neck.
You’re not a lawyer so I would be careful when publically declaring who is legally liable for what actions. It doesn’t look smart.
Notice when pressed it switched from declarative to “IMO” when I pressed you about it?
SBSTONER – I’m not looking out for my neck, only my and your tax dollars. A person doesn’t have to be a lawyer to use common sense and more is required of a cop. You didn’t press any “switch” with me, you can’t. I “switched” my comment again in this post hoping it makes my position clearer. I’ll say again, or as you state, “publicly declaring,” take it as my opinion or otherwise. A cop that leaves a person on the street under the influence and incapable of caring for themselves subjects the cop to liability if the person is injured or killed. As I said it’s the cop duty to “protect” everyone.
Trank is usually the horse tranquilizer mixed with fentanyl or other drugs.
Was talking with an SBPD L.E. Officer while waiting for my son at the eye doctors recently. He said Santa Barbara averages 3 O.D.’s per day that need Narcan/medical attention.
Media does not make public.
Overdose deaths are up ~8x, and emergency response calls for overdose responses are up ~30x. I get really tired of folks pretending this isn’t the CORE issue we’re confronting, or saying things like “drugs have always been here, la la la…”
You can’t help with your eyes closed.
What is the correct response? I mean that sincerely. Obviously it is bad to ignore the problem. But what should we do?
ACHOOO – In reality I don’t believe there is a “correct response.” Not much we can do other than some current programs that only have a long term affect on a few . These people go to prison for a few years, it doesn’t take long before many return to their drug of choice. The OD’s aren’t due so much to an increase in users but the deadly properties in drugs now being used. I don’t believe easy access to Narcan helps, it only minimizes the number of dead users. The “war on drugs” that began in the early 70’s will never be won. The drug user can have a direct impact on every one of us. They need money to buy their drugs. The easiest way is to rob, steal and burglarize; any one of us could be their target. No drama here, just a statement of fact.
The speculation on this thread is amazing. I work with homeless individuals and people on the fringes of society 48 hours a week. Last year, 168 people overdosed and died in SB County. 115 from fentanyl. The year before 113 dead with 37 from fentanyl. Fetanyl is the HUGE problem right now and I see people from age 16 thru their 70s abusing this deadly drug. Not sure who you are getting your info about tranq, but that is a blip on the radar. SBPD is great at figuring out if they need to bring people in or offer a helping hand so don’t judge them from afar with no info at all about the situation. Don’t assume people are under the influence just because somebody is not acting normal by your standards. Do you realize how many homeless struggle with mental or physical issues they have no control over which may mimic signs of being under the influence? HAVE SOME COMPASSION SANTA BARBARA!
Not to argue just to point out that the new trend in mixing xylaxine (tranq) and fentanyl is all over the news this week so may be the new thing here already.
BUBBA – thank you kindly for your selfless work.