Anonymous
Source: Office of Steve Bennett
Assemblymember Steve Bennett (D-Ventura) and Senator Monique Limon announced legislation [this month] to restrict gun sales at the Ventura County Fairground. They were joined at the press conference by Senator Dave Min (D-Irvine) who announced legislation to end gun sales at all county fairgrounds across the state.
According to a report published by UC Davis, gun shows have been identified as a source for illegally trafficked firearms. Additionally, a report published at the Center for American Progress notes that gun shows have received criticism as being “the critical moment in the chain of custody for many guns, the point at which they move from the somewhat-regulated legal market to the shadowy, no-questions-asked illegal market.” And, according to American Academy of Pediatrics California, “Gun violence is among the greatest public health crises facing children and youth. Nearly 7,000 children younger than 18 are killed or wounded by gunshots each year. Firearm-related deaths are the third leading cause of death for children ages 1 to 17, outpaced only by death from car crashes and drownings and illnesses like cancer.
“Unfortunately, the United States experiences far more gun violence per person than virtually every other modern industrialized country in the world,” Said Bennett, “and what accounts for this? The United States has one of the most pervasive gun cultures in the world supported by a powerful gun lobby. Gun shows at the Fairgrounds enhance this and it is time for each of us to play a role in changing this culture.”
“State property does not need to be in the business of facilitating the sale of dangerous firearms,” said Senator Lim
n, “this legislation is an important step forward to enhance public safety and reflects the direction that the County of Ventura, City of Ventura, and City Oxnard have asked the state to take.”
“Our county fairgrounds are supposed to be family-friendly venues, long associated with events like county fairs. Instead, these venues have become most well-known for hosting gun shows. This needs to change,” noted Senator Min, “and I am proud to support legislation led by Senator Limón and Assemblymember Bennett to finally get the Ventura County Fairgrounds out of the business of government-sponsored gun shows. While the Second Amendment allows for the well-regulated sales and purchase of firearms, the Constitution does not require that taxpayer-owned properties be used to facilitate those transactions.”
Rose Ann Sharp, Founder of NeverAgainCA, noted, “Gun manufacturers are driven to make a profit from the sale of guns. This legislation is driven by data that shows the more guns there are in a community, the more gun violence there is.”
“The California gun show loophole allows people who can’t pass background checks to buy unserialized and untraceable ghost guns – guns which are flooding our communities and fueling our gun violence epidemic. Ghost guns are increasingly recovered from crime scenes – a growing problem for law-enforcement and the weapon of choice for criminals. This gun violence is a serious drain on our state’s economy, costing California taxpayers $18.3 billion a year. We should treat gun-shows as we would any other failing business and recognize the massive human and fiscal price to our state far outweighs the profits. California taxpayers cannot afford to continue subsidizing the massive costs of gun violence in our communities — we must end gun shows on state-owned land.” Noted Piper Benom, Co-Chair, Gun Safety Working Action Group, Women for American Values and Ethics.
AB 1769 builds off efforts in other counties to restrict gun sales. In 2021, SB 264 (Min) was signed into law to prohibit gun sales at Orange County Fairground. And in 2018, Governor Newsom signed into law AB 893 (Gloria) which ended gun shows at the Del Mar State Fairground.
Wow, there is a lot of misinformation in this article. You don’t need to lie to make your point.
ABEAN805 – show us where the “lies” are.
Care to back that up?
At the gun show, you don’t just hand someone a wad of cash and walk out with a gun. There is a background check for sales and transfers. There is a 10 day waiting period. Also, you don’t walk in and buy an unserialized “ghost gun”. Not how it works haha
Once thing certainly isn’t misinformation, guns kill nearly 10 times as many children each year as Covid-19 has throughout the entire pandemic.
This isn’t about COVID, VOICE OF CHIP. Go take that somewhere else.
That’s the misinformation Gregoreo, there is no CA loophole that allows the sale of unserialized firearms anywhere in the state, that is illegal. The loophole is only that licensed firearm dealers can sell firearms at a gun show, which is not their licensed place of business. The waiting period, background checks, and others still apply. Good info: https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/gun-sales/gun-shows/
Straight from the article: “Nearly 7,000 children younger than 18 are killed or wounded by gunshots each year” The comparison to pediatric covid deaths provides context.
specifically, this is a lie: “”The California gun show loophole allows people who can’t pass background checks to buy unserialized and untraceable ghost guns… ” that is illegal and there is no loophole around it.
But guess where the parts and kits are sold?
The gun worship sects can truthfully claim that ghost guns aren’t sold at gun shows, because the sale of parts and kits, unassembled and missing trivially constructed parts, does not constitute selling a firearm.
The receiver is still required to have a serial number and the full background check, waiting period, etc. still apply, even at a gun show. Read the gifford.org link, very informative.
I’m not a gun worshiper, have never even owned one, but you’re misinformed about the triviality of the key serialized component(s), which still require all the paperwork and background checks as buying a fully assembled firearm.
Love that weasel word “serialized” that you threw in. Not the case for most of the kits.
And even then criminals will still procure and utilize illegal firearms. There are simply too many guns in circulation to close Pandora’s box.
True for a complete receiver. Not true for one missing small, easily fabricated key components. Just another weasel.
3:17 – Therefore, we should just give up, huh? What a ludicrous stance!
Then what your describing is already illegal, and saying “most of the kit” is not correct. Please read: https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/
3:12 – Yes, typical for you. You don’t know much about the topic you’re commenting on, but you sure as hell know the position your politics demand you to defend, facts be damned!
Look up “Stripped Lower Receiver” That is considered a firearm even though it can’t fire anything and has no moving parts installed.
That part still requires a serial number, a background check and a 10 day waiting period.
Then look up an “80% Lower Receiver” it is a shaped block of aluminum or plastic with one hole, no magazine well. It is completely non functional and needs sophisticated milling equipment to produce a “Stripped lower receiver”. You do not need to register these as firearms unless you mill them into something that actually meets the definition of a firearm.
If you do take this on as a complete DIY task, you will need to buy a lot of parts to make this into something that goes bang. You are supposed to register your workmanship.
Thing is though that the CNC machines that can make these get cheaper and better every year and the software is already out there to mill a lower reciever out of block of aluminum stock and you don’t need a gun show for that, you just need a lot of money to buy a good CNC mill and some aluminum.
I’m curious how you got that from my comments. Making more laws to to try and preventing an already illegal activity doesn’t make sense nor work. Enforcing existing laws and stiffening penalties for breaking those laws would, but the law and order approach goes against the narrative CA’s political leaders are spinning.
You’re evading the loopholes in the same manner as the gun parts vendors.
See how the weasels operate to evade the law:
https://giffords.org/frequently-asked-questions-ghost-guns/
Selling unserialized parts that can be assembled into a gun, however, is a completely different story.
Absolutely correct @4:55, which this piece of legislation will do nothing to remedy or prevent, yet unserialized parts and guns were used (and used incorrectly) to justify this legislation. Some might call it….. misinformation, which is usually frowned upon.
You are correct.
Its not a firearm until reaches a legal threshold. As it sits now a “fiream” does not have to be able to fire anything. For legal puposes, that is a stretch, but one we accomodate
5:33 – Tsk, tsk, tsk. You’re making things up again. To quote directly from the bill:
“Existing law, except as specifically exempted, prohibits an officer, employee, operator, lessee, or licensee of the 32nd District Agricultural Association, as defined, from contracting for, authorizing, or allowing the sale of any firearm, firearm precursor part, or ammunition on the property or in the buildings that comprise the OC Fair and Event Center, as specified.
This bill would enact similar provisions applicable to the 31st District Agricultural Association, as defined, on the property or in the buildings that comprise the Ventura County Fair and Event Center, as specified.”
You might want to pay particular attention to “firearm precursor part”, even though you’ll be sorely tempted to ignore it.
The voice of paltering gets pwnd again. Just making things up about something easily verified isn’t a good tactic.
Ah, yes, your other favorite. Move the goalposts, and claim that’s what you meant all along.
You don’t even read your own links.
Legal language is limited by reality. Is it really a loophole to create something that replicates something that might be a firearm, some day.
Is it a loophole to say a lump of aluminum is not a firearm, the software to mill it is not a firearm, the mill itself is mot a firearm, but the product of those, is and needs to be registered? And if not registered, upon sale, is illegal.
Those are not loopholes, they are thresholds
Bravo! Better yet, restrict gun sales EVERYWHERE!
Way to go!
That’s what bothers me most about this specific piece of legislation (banning gun shows at Ventura Fairgrounds). How many hundreds or thousands of legislative and staff hours will be spent discussing, drafting, debating and voting on this specific piece of legislation? This legislation does nothing to address the actual problem of gun violence or illegal firearms and is purely a “feel good” measure, it’s only benefits are the feelings it will provide. Don’t we have bigger, real problems they should be spending their valuable legislative time on like… actual gun violence and illegal firearms, homelessness , mental health and drug addiction, improving performance in our schools, strengthening our electrical grid to avoid rolling blackouts and support the influx of EV’s that were mandated, and, and, and so many other necessary things that have more tangible impacts than the “feelings” of our community? (again, I have never owned a gun and am far from a gun worshiper).
Its not a trivial amount of parts.
The stripped lower requires 34 parts and after those are in, still is incapable of firing and must still be registered as a firearm. There is about another 30 parts needed to complete, give or take a few springs, pins, detents. Those are the same parts used for repair and replacement in a purchased fully complete firearm. I only know of one gun part that is legally considered to be the firearm. There are modifications that are illegal, but the above mentioned 60+ parts are legal and only one is registered. That is because without the piece designated as the firearm none of the rest can make it go bang.
The “ghost gun” genie is out of the bottle. There are at least 5 very good software programs available for free online that can be used with any good cnc machine to make a legal firearm.
Every rule that makes it legal for someone else to do something I do not like, or own something I despise is a “loophole”
Next up Earl Warren Gun shows
I certainly hope this does not affect the Historical Arms Show out at Earl Warren showgrounds, that has been restricted to antiques and collectables for years.
These types of attempts at restricting firearm related commerce are a waste of time and resources. California is already leaning out over its skis with aggressive legislation that restricts various aspects of the right to keep and bear arms. Legal challenges are pending, and the Supreme Court is poised to address gun rights in the months ahead. Below is a link to an article on the upcoming Supreme Court gun rights case. The next Supreme Court ruling will likely clarify the standard by which gun laws are assessed for constitutionality, resulting in a cascade of anti gun legislation being struck down across the county. Not only do anti-gun laws waste taxpayer resources with unnecessary legal expenses, they also result in precedent setting Supreme Court rulings affirming the right to keep and bear arms. The bottom line is, our constitution recognizes the right of the people to keep and bear arms, and the only way to change that is through the process of amending the constitution. Good luck with that.
A https://www.courthousenews.com/justices-barreling-into-gun-rights-standoff-have-little-precedent-to-guide-them/