Anonymous
Source: California Department of Public Health
With case rates increasing 47% since Thanksgiving, the California Department of Public Health will require universal masking to increase protection to individuals, families, and communities during the holidays.
The California Department of Public Health (CDPH) continues to monitor COVID-19 data in order to protect the health and well-being of all Californians. Since Thanksgiving, the statewide seven-day average case rate has increased by almost half (47%) and hospitalizations have increased by 14%. In response to the increase in cases and hospitalizations, and to slow the spread of both Delta and the highly transmissible Omicron variant, CDPH has issued updated guidance to curb the spread of COVID-19 and its variants.
Beginning December 15, CDPH will require masks to be worn in all indoor public settings irrespective of vaccine status through January 15, 2022, at which point California will make further recommendations as needed in response to the pandemic.
Additionally, CDPH updated requirements for attending mega events, like concerts and sporting events. Prior to attending an event, attendees will now require either proof of vaccination, a negative antigen COVID-19 test within one day of the event, or a negative PCR test within two days of the event.
CDPH also issued a new travel advisory effective immediately to recommend that all travelers arriving in California test for COVID-19 within three to five days after arrival, regardless of their vaccination status.
“Our collective actions can save lives this holiday season. We are already seeing a higher level of transmission this winter and it is important to act now to prevent overwhelming our busy hospitals so we can provide quality health care to all Californians. All Californians should get vaccinated and receive their booster. Getting your whole family up to date on vaccination is the most important action you can take to get through the pandemic and to protect yourself from serious impacts from the virus and its variants. Testing and masking remain important tools in slowing the spread,” said Dr. Tomás J. Aragón, CDPH Director and State Public Health Officer. “Starting Wednesday, California will require masking in all public indoor places during the holiday season regardless of vaccination status. Attendees of large events will be required to show either proof of vaccination, a negative antigen COVID-19 test within one day of the event, or a negative PCR test within two days of the event. Additionally, California has issued a travel alert to recommend that all travelers get tested within three to five days of their arrival in California. Vaccines and these temporary measures will allow friends and families to safely spend the holidays together and will add critical layers of protection to keep people safe.”
Statewide COVID-19 Data
Today, the California Department of Public Health(CDPH) released the most recent statistics on COVID-19 and updates on the state’s pandemic response. The most up to date data is available on the state’s COVID-19 data dashboard.
Cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are largely occurring among unvaccinated populations. See the data for unvaccinated and vaccinated cases, hospitalizations and deaths.
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Unvaccinated people were 7.1 times more likely to get COVID-19 (data from November 21, 2021 to November 27, 2021 ).
- Unvaccinated people were 12.5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 (data from November 14, 2021 to November 20, 2021).
- Unvaccinated people were 13.0 times more likely to die from COVID-19 (data from November 7, 2021 to November 13, 2021).
Vaccinations
- 61,315,927 total vaccines administered.
- 77.7% of the eligible population (5+) has been vaccinated with at least one dose.
- 210,409 people a day are receiving COVID-19 vaccination (average daily dose count over 7 days).
Cases
- California has 4,886,509 confirmed cases to date.
- Today’s average case count is 5,825 (average daily case count over 7 days).
Testing
- The testing positivity rate is 2.2 % (average rate over 7 days).
Hospitalizations
- There are 3,804 hospitalizations statewide.
- There are 967 ICU patients statewide.
Deaths
- There have been 74,685 COVID-19 deaths since the start of the pandemic.
- COVID-19 claims the lives of 51 Californians each day (average daily death count over 7 days).
ADDITIONAL UPDATES
Omicron Variant
The recent emergence of the Omicron variant emphasizes the importance of getting a vaccine, booster, and taking prevention efforts needed to protect against COVID-19. As of December 12, 2021, 24 confirmed cases associated with the Omicron variant have been reported to the state. This number will be updated weekly with the other variants California is currently monitoring on the CDPH Tracking Variants webpage. For more information about the Omicron variant, see the Omicron variant fact sheet.
Stop the Spread: Get Vaccinated for COVID-19
The risk for COVID-19 exposure and infection continues as a number of Californians remain unvaccinated. Real-world evidence continues to show that the vaccine is preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death. With the combination of colder weather keeping people indoors, the waning of vaccine and natural immunity, and more mingling among non-household members, public health officials urge Californians to get vaccinated and boosted as soon as possible to help prevent a possible winter surge in COVID-19 cases.
It is recommended that every vaccinated adult 18 years or older should get a booster as long as they received their second dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine at least six months ago or they received their Johnson & Johnson vaccine at least two months ago.
Vaccination appointments can be made by visiting myturn.ca.gov or calling 1-833-422-4255. The consent of a parent or legal guardian may be needed for those under age 18 to receive a vaccination. Visit Vaccinate All 58 to learn more about the safe and effective vaccines available for all Californians 5+.
Your Actions Save Lives
Protect yourself, family, friends and your community by following these prevention measures:
- Celebrate safely: Take commonsense steps this holiday season to protect yourself, your family and your community as you celebrate the holiday season.
- Upgrade your mask: Good fit and filtration continue to be the best way to get the most out of your mask. The best masks for preventing COVID-19 include the N95, KN95 and KF94. If you don’t have access to one of these masks, wear a surgical mask or a surgical mask with a cloth mask on top. If you choose a fabric mask, opt for one with three of more cloth layers. No matter what kind of mask you wear, check the fit by avoiding gaps above the nose or on the sides.
- Get vaccinated for COVID-19 and flu: It’s your turn now! It’s recommended for everyone over six months of age to be vaccinated for the flu. For COVID-19, Californians age 5+ are eligible to make appointments or go to a walk-in site for vaccination. You can get your flu and COVID-19 vaccines on the same day.
- My Vaccine Record is an easy way to show vaccination status at venues or businesses that require proof of vaccination. Visit myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov today to get your vaccine record.
- Stay Home & Get Tested if Sick: If you are experiencing symptoms of COVID-19 (fever, cough, shortness of breath, fatigue, muscle or body aches), or believe you have been exposed, get tested, call your health care provider, and stay home and away from others. Free, confidential testing is available statewide. Avoid close contact with people who are sick and stay home from work and school if you feel ill.
- Wash hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds.
- Travel tips: Delay travel (both domestic and international) until you are fully vaccinated. If you must travel before being fully vaccinated, consider getting tested before and after travel. See the CDC’s full travel guidance.
- Avoid crowded venues or areas when cases are high.
- Add your phone to the fight: Sign up for COVID-19 exposure notifications from CA Notify.
- Answer the call or text if a contact tracer from the CA COVID Team or your local health department tries to connect.
- Check with your local health department about local conditions. Local health jurisdictions can implement protocols that are stricter than state guidance.
Tracking COVID-19 in California
- Data and Tools – Models and dashboards for researchers, scientists and the public
- COVID-19 Race & Ethnicity Data – Weekly updated Race & Ethnicity data
- Cases and Deaths by Age Group – Weekly updated Deaths by Age Group data
- Health Equity Dashboard – See how COVID-19 highlights existing inequities in health
- Tracking Variants – Data on the variants California is currently monitoring
- Safe Schools for All Hub – Information about safe in-person instruction
Health Care Workers
- As of December 9, local health departments have reported 131,821 confirmed positive cases in health care workers and 531 deaths statewide.
Testing Turnaround Time
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The testing turnaround time dashboard reports how long California patients are waiting for COVID-19 test results. During the week of November 28 to December 4, the average time patients waited for test results was 1.0 day. During this same time period, 75% of patients received test results in one day and 97% received them within two days.
Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C)
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As of December 6, there have been 731 cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C) reported statewide. MIS-C is a rare inflammatory condition associated with COVID-19 that can damage multiple organ systems. MIS-C can require hospitalization and be life threatening.
oops, yes I meant Chip. You can feel that way but imposing your poor risk analysis on others is another matter. You can also choose not to drive a car, or especially a motorcycle, because there’s a small chance you will kill someone else and/or yourself in any given trip. You may think there’s no cost to wearing a mask and are free to do so, some even do it outside riding their bicycle. The vast majority of people would prefer not to keep pretending that it makes a measurable difference in most situations.
ANT – 1) “You may think there’s no cost to wearing a mask ” – Once again, what is the cost? 2) Car accidents aren’t contagious. Logic 101.
Chip, i find you uncomfortable. I also find it uncomfortable when some random person like yourself, thinks you know more and are better than all of us and refuses to wear a mask. Ridiculous at best dude….
Killing a pedestrian with your car is exactly analogous to giving a stranger covid and killing them. Logic indeed.
duke, show us your degree in medicine and infectious diseases please.
why downvote a direct quote from a peer-reviewed scientific study in one of the best medical journals out there? Let me guess – it’s because you are “for the science” except when it’s inconvenient.
Omicron is coming. We will see a surge in case count like never before soon.
I can’t believe so many hold masks so tightly when the politicians that are putting out the mandates continuously disregard their own mask mandates. If masks were so incredibly critical to fighting this pandemic you’d think the politicians would be complying with their own mandate. They’re vaccinated you say? Well so are we!
Reasonable and intellectually honest people, which none of those folks are.
So you’re just going to ignore the first sentence and misinterpret the second one by ignoring the condition: “with breakthrough infections”.
Please note that the Lancet has previously published junk science, most famously the debunked theory about vaccines causing ADD.
Seems to me a fundamental flaw is to think we can eradicate COVID through control measures. This was the idea from the feds in the beginning. But it is becoming obvious that COVID is going to be endemic – cannot be eradicated as it continually morphs. It is similar to the common cold and flu virus; it is here to stay. So, like the cold and flu viruses, it will mutate to a form that can replicate and survive regardless of what we do, but hopefully to a less virulent strain, which the omicron variant may portend. It is not in the evolutionary interest of any parasite to kill all it’s hosts – but it will find a way to survive, and still take victims along the way. Deciding when to end public health mandates is a very tough call, but at some point public fatigue may decide.
nobody is ignoring anything. Get vaxxed, I did, but do it mostly for your own protection not society’s. If this proves true it takes away much of the moral imperative for mandates.
I thought that Trump said something to the effect of “Poof, then one day it will be gone. Like magic.” He’s a man of intelligence and never lies. When is that day coming?
that was retracted I’m sure you’re the best arbiter of “junk science”, LOL
So I wish ED had a poll option… Everyone is so extreme one way or the other and it’s almost purely political. (based on how the comments are worded) Clearly, masks provide some benefit to the spread of Covid. Obviously, nobody really wants to wear them. Some have vented about unmasked people possibly harming their families or what about the people who are compromised? Those who have posted these types of comments, I would like to know if you wear N95 masks and change them every 3-4 hours of use. If it were an actual concern and not a political hot topic you should.
It’s only made a political hot topic by right wingers. “I would like to know if you wear N95 masks and change them every 3-4 hours of use. If it were an actual concern and not a political hot topic you should.” — that’s a very dishonest claim.
Mar- A dishonest claim? It’s a question to all that have posted about masking up. I haven’t posted either way here. If you want to know if I do, then yes. I have health concerns, so I take extra steps for myself.
9:37 – So, you post hypocritical stuff? Just to push an agenda you don’t espouse?
According to the state’s own COVID data, the cases per 100,000 is currently 10.6 for the week ending on December 10th. This is essentially 1/3 of what was a recent peak for the week ending August 11th where the case rate per 100,000 was 33.6 and there was no discussion of reinstituting the mask mandate.
The rationale for the mask mandate according to the California Public Health Department is that cases have spiked 47% since Thanksgiving to 14 cases per 100,000 people. However, this data is more than a week behind as California hit that number for the week ending on December 3rd. Since then cases per 100,000 have dropped approximately 25%.
It appears from the state’s own data the spike was short lived and we are already on the decline.
To go backwards and re-implement a mask mandate at this time neither follows the science or the state’s own data.
Why don’t you just read the news. It’s not my job to educate you. I don’t have to cite my sources to make a statement of fact. Which is not fear-mongering by the way. I read the NYT, the LA Times, The Guardian, various sources from Israel, and various other international sources every day. Why don’t you check the data coming out of Europe and South Africa. Omicron doesn’t induce surges; it brings on full blown vertical cliffs and the direction goes up. It’s not fear mongering to say cases will shoot up like we’ve never seen before. I didn’t say people are going to die en masse. I said we will see a surge like we have never seen before. Grow up and do your own research.
More mandates, less compliance. Masks are rapidly becoming a matter of personal preference, as they should have been all along. Those who like strict mask rules can go to places that enforce them. Those who prefer not to wear masks can go to places where they don’t have to. Not much the state can do about that. Also, why is it that vaccinated people are not required to be tested? The data clearly shows that some vaccinated individuals develop high viral loads and contribute substantially to the spread of covid, yet they are exempt from testing requirements.
I read yesterday that Marin County was moving away from case counts and starting to look at Hospitalizations. They had dropped their mask mandate in response to their hospitalization rate. That was something I have always pushed for and makes the most sense. We need to stop worrying about how many people are testing positive and worry about Hospitalization rates. SB has been fairly steady in that regard.
I stand firmly with SBTownie on this. The sources are my own personal connections who are falling like dominos at the moment. They all hang out in different circles, all have been fully vaccinated (in the spring between March and May), and all have been carefully masked, etc. Somehow, those who’d managed to escape the virus for the last TWO YEARS are finally contracting it, even fully vaxxed and with masking in place. Up until a month ago, I’d only personally known one person who became ill. Now, I very suddenly know several. It’s a thing.
BOSCO – wouldn’t knowing case rates help drop hospitalization rates? If I knew there was a ton of positive cases in town, I would be more careful and maybe avoid certain situations, thereby reducing my risk of infection therefore reducing my risk of hospitalization. Seems it’s important to know the case rate so those who are more vulnerable can choose to to avoid places/people that might increase their risk of complications. Just a thought.
CHIP – why do people “prefer not to wear masks?”
Sure case rates are a good indicator and predictor of future hospitalizations. Hospitalizations tend to lag behind cases. But, I think using the case rate as the primary focus and justification for policy is wrong. The public health goal is to prevent an unmanageable surge of patients in Hospital not to stop people from getting COVID. Vaccination has significantly reduced the severity of disease, but it has not stopped people from getting COVID. The combination of vaccines and advances in treatment have ultimately reduced the COVID risk to the community. That is not necessarily reflected in the community case rates. I believe it’s an overreaction when we are now learning to live with COVID as endemic in our community.
Sac, I find masks uncomfortable. In addition, masks make it difficult to speak clearly. Masks also make it difficult to understand other people and mute facial expressions. Smiles, laughter, and other expression are lost in a mask. Finally, I deeply resent being forced to wear a mask against my will. Whenever I have no choice but to wear a mask, I feel deeply and personally violated. However I appreciate that many people choose to wear the mask of their own free will. For these individuals, wearing the mask is a privilege and not a burden. It is a symbol of their faith in science and it helps discourage potentially dangerous social interaction with others. I respect your choice Sac, but it’s time you respect mine as well.
I hate COVID so much. What a nightmare.
My primary concern about continued (and increased) restrictions is about the message being sent to the community. While a mask mandate may not be a big deal, it has real effect on the community. It is causing organizations which have chosen to be more COVID conservative (like some businesses and schools) to further their COVID restrictions and further delay return to normal life. I continue to see many organizations (I’m looking at you SBUSD) continue to implement impractical, ineffective, and (arguably) idiotic COVID protocols. If there was a glimmer of getting some normalcy back, the public health message becomes another excuse to continue down this frustrating path. A obviously predictable, and completely manageable, 4th wave of COVID cases should not be a reason to retreat back. We need to get back to normal.
CHIP – “Whenever I have no choice but to wear a mask, I feel deeply and personally violated.” I’m sorry you feel that way. Must be frustrating to be told to do things. So, it’s more than just a comfort issue, as I thought. You people hate being told by the government to do anything, yet you “back the blue” and condemn those who resist actual oppressive authority – “just comply and you won’t be shot in the back because you’re black.” Yeah, a real mixed up bunch.
Finally, I’ll respect your choices when they don’t put my family at risk.
I agree Bosco. We need to get back to normal. I am not going to spend the rest of my life carrying a mask around. The restrictions and mandates are ineffective, counterproductive, unsustainable, and unethical as explained by the ACLU. https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/privacy/pemic_report.pdf
sorry “according” to how YOU are skewing it. im sorry but these posts are just noise in the wind.
Yeah, Chip feeling violated by wearing a mask? That is one of the silliest things I have read in a long time!
How much more wildlife will needlessly die because of the masks. Millions of pounds of plastic trash will carelessly be introduced into the environment. Birds get entangled, marine life consumes them, many will die!!!
Sorry Sail, but there is no cost benefit analysis when fighting COVID, it’s COVID above all else no matter the consequences. As long as there is a chance a measure might save a single life, consequences be dammed….
Chip, VOR, Duke, Bye, and the like: “Both vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread the virus.”
Medical/Scientific Community & reasonable people: “Both Serena Williams and I can play tennis.”
Whataboutism at its finest. And lots of narcissism, too – All these poor whiners won’t even wear a simple face mask for the sake of their fellow citizens.
Chip, no they are not. You say this on just about every post. Just because YOU think of it that way (which is sad and weird at the same time), doesn’t mean it is. So what if you think they are uncomfortable and a hassle. You know what is worse? Dying after catching Covid. Yeah that’s a hell of a lot worse. You post below just spews “I’m more important than the rest of you”. You feel deeply violated? Are you kidding???? The person with a weak respiratory system or the elderly person next to you in line is deeply violated by your obnoxious perception of reality. Chip, your choice goes against decency and mutual respect for others in the community. Go deny science and fact where it won’t interfere with others.
10:16 – Why don’t you think this through a little:
Case rates are a leading indicator of hospitalization rates, by some two weeks or so.
Case rates tend to go up exponentially if not dealt with, and apparently that’s especially so with the omicron variant.
If you ignore them and wait until your hopitalization rate rises, you have a backlog tsunami of hospitalizations already on the way, even if hospitalizations are fewer with a vaccinated population.
The sooner you address the problem, the less of a problem you have. That’s what “flatten the curve” is all about. It’s not a one-time thing, it’s something you have to keep working on.
Sorry, but instant gratification isn’t in your future.
Sac nails it. Finally, I’ll respect your choices when they don’t put my family at risk.
Or mine. Or my friends. Or my coworkers. Or my folks at the stores I shop at.
I’m good with the State’s decision. Seems appropriate to me.
12:14 – Totally false. Masks have been shown over and over again to have a significant beneficial effect with respect to the spread of COVID. Anyone who doesn’t realize that by now is either willfully ignorant or pushing some sort of demented political agenda.
From a recent UK study published in the Lancet:
“Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts.”
DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(21)00648-4
I enjoy talking to myself with my face mask on.
You guys can mask forever…the vast majority of places I go to in SB and Goleta don’t care about masks anymore. Sure, Chaucer’s will keep it going forever…but most spots are past it at this point. Whether people are wearing their gaiters isn’t helping or keeping people safe. Elder people and immunocompromised people need to be taking different precautions then younger people…that’s the reality of the situation…probably/possibly forever.
Kids in a 3rd grade class wearing the same cloth mask every day isn’t helping to keep your family safe ZERO…these nonsensical rules in every situation (instead of much reduced logical ones) IS having an effect on the population at large.
The silliness of the mask mandate in many scenarios is spectacularly dumb. I don’t feel violated…but it’s offensive that we are treating all scenarios with this blanket rule, when it doesn’t make sense.
ANT LION – “the cost has tipped far beyond the benefit of what masking provides” – what is the cost of requiring people to wear masks in indoor businesses?
Also, I think you got me confused with CHIP. I have no problem wearing a mask, they’re really not anymore uncomfortable than tucking in a shirt. I don’t do it to be a “rule follower,” I do it because it IS effective, even if only a little, in decreasing the risk of me getting infected or, if I’m asymptomatic, spreading it to others who could die from it. It’s not about me (unlike you people always assume, since everything is about you), it’s about my COMMUNITY.
How many boosters a year are you going to take before you pause and say, ‘hmm wait a sec here’?
12:52 – as many as my trusted family doctor recommends. That’s how medicine works. People train their whole lives to become experts in the field, at school, not on YouTube, and the other people trust their skills and knowledge when it comes to their health.
ANT – Nope. A car accident is not avoidable in most circumstances, choosing to not wear a mask IS. Not wearing a mask is INTENTIONAL. One is about a choice, the other is about an accident. Further, how do you protect against the risk of a car accident? Stop driving, which is impractical for most, impossible for some. How do you protect against the risk of spreading the virus? Wear a mask. Easy for all.
1) hopefully not many, but Zuckerberg was just the interviewer, the interviewee, Dr. Fauci many people do listen to.
2) That is incorrect, the extended study “in people who are out there in a risk situation” is ongoing.
3) They have no idea how this will play out with new variants that differ significantly from the alpha variant the mRNA vaccines were base of off. It is simply to early to tell how well the vaccine works against Omicron and IF it leads to individuals being more likely to get infected as Dr. Fauci said has happened with several other vaccines that “looked good in initial safety actually made people worse”. – with the recent outbreaks like the one in the CNN article where Omicron spread like wildfire through a fully vaccinated, boosted, and mask wearing population, I’m gonna take a pause before I rush out for another booster. Good news is, so far anyway, Omicron cases are not leading to hospitalizations at nearly the same rate of prior variants.
That is more social media falsehood. It’s an old interview being hyped by the COVIDIOT crowd:
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/clip-anthony-fauci-discussing-vaccine-safety-from-march-2020-scientific-evidence-shows-covid-19-vaccines-reduce-risk-of-infection-serious-illness/
Thanks for the hilarious entertainment everybody!..
I wonder though..
If a simple mask-mandate is causing this much turmoil in your lives, then how in the world are you going to survive when things get worse/harder/more dangerous & strict?..
Because that’s precisely where we’re headed..to “Worse” before “Better”.
I quoted Dr. Fauci directly and you call it “social media falsehood”? You’re also missing the point with that fact check, which was based on prior variants and tip toed around the fact that yes, vaccines have been developed in the past that initially looked promising and safe, only to result an increased risk of infection. They have little to no data on how the mRNA vaccines will work with Omicron and if it will or will not lead to people being more susceptible to infection. Initial reports like the CNN article, aren’t promising.
You quoted something Fauci said in March of 2020. The world has changed, and you’re just pushing complete FUD. The vaccines, especially with a booster, are showing decent efficacy against omicron, which is proving to be very very infectious. Get your shots and stay masked if you want to stay out of the hospital.
Chevy67, many policy makers shared your belief that vaccines effectively stop covid transmission. In fact, this belief was so strongly held that mask mandates were lifted for those who were vaccinated a few months ago. After all, if the vaccine is as effective as Serena Williams, what would be the point of maintaining restrictions on vaccinated people? Since then, it has been shown that vaccines rapidly lose effectiveness (hello booster shots!), and that vaccines are less effective against new variants of covid. The requirements for “fully vaccinated” people to wear masks and the developing requirements for “booster shots” are based on the understanding that our existing covid vaccines are not the “Serena Williams” they were initially touted to be.
2:42 – The vaccines were incredibly effective, and still are, but the unvaccinated (some through no fault of their own, others by willful ignorance) and the ignorant nonpharmaceutical intervention resistant elements of the population spoiled it for everyone, by providing a breeding ground for more potent variants.
258pm – There’s close to 8 billion people in the world…even if every American gets the shots and the boosters, there is ample breeding ground. It’s here to stay…realize that and start acting accordingly.
The poster at 2:21 spreading FUDdy falsehoods about vaccine effectiveness seems unaware that the mRNA vaccines are based on a totally different technology than the RSV vaccine, and have shown absolutely no indications of inducing ADE.
3:24 – And yet you were quoting an article that insinuated that the mRNA vaccines caused an ADE reaction. Odd choice, eh?
2:58, Are you referring to the unvaccinated majority of the world’s population? Hundreds of millions of doses of vaccines were set to go to regions like Africa with extremely low vaccination rates. However, wealthy countries like the US diverted those doses and are now hoarding the vaccine in order to offer boosters. Many people have argued that we should outlaw booster shots for all but the most vulnerable and send those extra doses overseas where most are completely unvaccinated. This is called vaccine equity. Would you get a booster shot knowing that doing so will deprive someone in a poor country overseas of their initial vaccination?
Bet you two said the same thing about polio and smallpox. Oh, wait… those weren’t on your political agenda at that time.
3:54, the polio and smallpox vaccines are completely different animals. Those vaccines provide long lasting immunity, meaning that vaccinated individuals cannot get or transmit those diseases. Covid vaccines provide some protection, but not immunity in the same sense that a smallpox or polio vaccine provides it. You can still get covid and transmit covid after getting vaccinated, whereas you cannot get polio or smallpox at all after getting those vaccines. In addition, the effectiveness of the covid vaccines wanes rapidly, necessitating booster shots after a few months.
I did not insinuate, I quoted an interview with Fauci using his exact words, provided a CNN article showing Omicron spread quickly throughout Cornell’s fully vaccinated and masked student body. Not once did I say the mRNA’s are the same tech as RSV nor did I say they have shown an indication of inducing ADE. I mean, it’s all right there, in writing…
Fortunately there is a vaccine that has been developed in India the traditional way (like polio) and has shown very promising results including among young children, strong lasting protection with no side effects particularly in children. It’s currently being reviewed by the FDA for use in children as young as two in the United States. If it wasn’t for the hundreds of millions Pfizer spends advertising on every media outlet you’d hear more about it.
4:08 – You’re wrong, of course. The vaccines aren’t all that different, but the pathogens are, most importantly in mutation rate and infectiveness. That’s why the vaccine-resistant are such a threat.
You quoted an article that linked ADE with mRNA vaccines. No surprise that you diny you “said” that, as you’ve repeatedly used that same excuse for other posts you’ve made with assertions that were provably false. And, of course, infections in a group of fully-vaccinated people are going to be, you guessed it, vaccinated people. What matters is the severity of resultant disease. But, you just want to spread FUD, so it’s just more of the same from you.
4:36, if the “vaccine resistant” population in our country is a threat, the billions of unvaccinated individuals overseas where vaccines are unavailable are an exponentially greater threat. Any new variants that emerge amongst the unvaccinated masses abroad will rapidly spread to our country. Therefore, I hope you will join me in refusing any booster shots until such time as everyone overseas has received their first round of vaccines.
5:19 – As usual, a pivot to whataboutism.
5:23 – Nowhere near the magnitude as a problem, but nice try at shifting gears and another whatabout.
If you are so afraid of covid after almost two years, and wear a mask while driving alone in your car, only go out when necessary, and hunker down at home otherwise….COVID has already killed you.
Someone was saying something about this being all the unvaccinated’s fault?
“Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot,” said Vice President for University Relations Joel Malina in a statement.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/cornell-university-covid-cases/index.html
Read the CNN article, then watch the interview with Mark Zuckerberg and Dr. Fauci, excerpts posted below:
Zuckerberg: “One of the questions I’ve heard from a number of people is: Doing the safety trials obviously is incredibly important because you want to make sure you’re not injecting people with something that could be harmful. But once you have that, why not push harder on rolling it out more aggressively, even if you don’t know how effective it is? What’s the public health rationale and thinking behind needing to prove it’s extremely effective before rolling out something that you know is safe?”
Fauci: “OK, That’s a good question. The initial safety study, Mark, is to see if I inject it in the arm, does it have some sort of idiosyncratic or bad reaction? There is another element to safety, and that is if you vaccinate someone and they make an antibody response, and then they get exposed and infected, does the response that you induce actually enhance the infection, and make it worse?
And the only way you’ll know that is if you do an extended study, not in a normal volunteer who has a risk of infection, but in people who are out there in a risk situation. This would not be the first time if it happened that a vaccine that looked good in initial safety actually made people worse.
There was the history of the respiratory syncytial vaccine in children, which paradoxically made the children worse. One of the HIV vaccines that we tested several years ago actually made individuals more likely to get infected. So you can’t just go out there and give it unless you feel that in the field, when someone is getting infected and exposed, being vaccinated doesn’t make them worse. That is why you got to do a trial.”
Im not afraid, Im vaccinated. thats where the issue really is.
the people skirting the mandates and the recommendations is what has gotten this to 2 years. has gotten us to this point. so sure, point out the fact that a portion of our community and society is selfish.
post it again, it will only reassure your selfish point.
8:11 – Yes, thank you for trying to provide such an outstanding example, though what you actually ended up demonstrating was something far more insidious – willful ignorance. Deliberately ignoring facts is much worse than simply not knowing them or being incapable of understanding their significance.
PSTAR, there are several other countries that took the strong mandate approach and had mass compliance, all it does it delay, the spread is inevitable. Strengthening our hospital system, developing and promoting treatments, and distributing/encouraging vaccinations will get us through this. Everything else is just control, power grabs, and pandemic profiteering.
Can someone explain this comment:
“It’s only made a political hot topic by right wingers.”
Sure: When I do it, it’s okay, when you do it, it’s not okay. i.e. “rules for thee but not for me”.
ANT- “Killing a pedestrian with your car is exactly analogous to giving a stranger covid and killing them. Logic indeed.” No, it’s not.
It is analogous. You choose to drive and plough into someone by accident, killing them. That is always a risk, albeit small, when driving. The risk increases of course if you behave recklessly such as drinking before driving.
You choose not to wear a mask and unknowingly infect someone who is vulnerable and they die. That is now a risk, albeit small, when not wearing a mask (and probably also when wearing one but somewhat reduced by the mask). The risk increases if you behave recklessly, such as going out in public with covid symptoms.
The overall risk of both of these things happening without the risky behavior element is tiny and not worth consideration in our day to day life, in my opinion.
1) Who would listen to Zuckerberg about anything?
2) The extended tests were done. The vaccines are safe and effective.
Amen Bosco. Now we wait to see what the author’s political affiliation is to determine if people here will actually absorb the information provided or discard it a “covidiot” misinformation FUD.
ANT – yeah, says the person who doesn’t know the difference between intentional and accidental.